it changes the debt course of america. the president has yet to lay out anything like that. >> i'll tell you what really struck me in a moment from that interview, but let me keep on with what you're saying. you have called the secretary's claim of $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases an egregious falsehood. he did say $600 billion in cuts is what is being proposed there. he said it's health care. you said he's not even tinkering with medicare. where are these cuts? >> let me respond to that. they cut providers -- again, these are the hospitals and doctors. $600 billion over ten years. that's a reduction in spending. he's not mentioning the fact that he gives away $1.2 trillion of the sequester. that whole savings that we agreed to as part of the budget control act he eliminates. in other words, that's an additional $1.2 trillion in spending over the current agreement that we're operating under today. it's a $1.2 trillion increase. so there's a net substantial increase in spending right there. and another $.5